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i'm going to vote for. joel and victoria olsteen. >> they are split down the middle. one is republican. they are big and rich. >> we debate about as tough as any two guys can. we end it with a cold beverage. >> a moment i never expected. porn stars averaging six million viewers which is tv golden. joining me now rick and his son. welcome to you. tell me the secret of your success. is it because america is suffering economically. when that happens a business

like yours the ends to do well. >> just because the economy is bad doesn't mean a pawnshop does well. remember all those things i buy i have to sell. it's a catch 22. >> the optimum time is probably when the economy is okay. >> that's probably it. >> who comes in? is there a dynamic of rich, poor, black, white? >> it's everybody. typical pawnshop is different than others, we are on the las vegas strip, we have had billionaires come in and shop, average single mom isn't getting her child support check and needs money. >> i get the second one. why the billionaire come to a pawnshop? >> people don't realize, most

billionares actually pretty cheap. not gonna go to rolex and buy brand new, especially when they can come us to and get it half price. >> what has been the most surprised you have been? i know a lot of surprises, you look back what are the moments, go, wow, somebody brought in really knocked your socks off? >> that happens a lot. that right there, >> this sin he had krichblt brought stuff in you had brought into you this is the battle plan for iwo jima, right? >> grow. >> incredible. who brought this in? >> a person, his father had been on iwo jima, one of the boats that brought the troops in. this was the battle plan he was given. he thought it was really neat but add daughter who was having a very expensive wedding and figured let grandpa pay for t. >> what did you give him for that?

how did you assess the value? >> that was few years ago yoorks remember the exact price. that is a big problem for things like this when you have one-of-a-kind, nothing to compare it to if off coin, you can look up on the internet what the coin went for last time. >> do you remember even the ballpark? >> i think around $3500, something like that. >> what is it worth? >> i'm assuming, you know, 10, 12 grand. i'm not really selling it. one of the reasons i get people in my pawn shop, i have all this weird stuff on the wall. right knew is one of the weird things on the wall. >> what would be the offer you couldn't refuse to get it off your wall? >> sell in a minute for eight grand. >> really? >> this is our difference in. >> the younger turk here talking, eight grand, coming off the wall, right? >> $8,000 or an iwo jima plan, i will take the eight grand. >> do you have any love for these things or money to you? >> what he taught me since i was a little kid. this is just stuff, man, thank

god these people had stuff they could sell to get the money they needed to get whatever they needed to do because this is just -- >> some of it is quite sad. these, for example, are olympic medals, they were from atlanta in '96, barcelona '92. joe green, who won two bronze medals for the long jump, he brought them in himself, presumably hit hard times, nobody would give up bronze olympic medals for nothing. do you remember his story? >> yeah, i think his story was basically that he, you know, he got injured, wasn't able to compete in 2000 and doing some other things. the way i look at it, thank god he had these to get him by the hard times and because a lot of people don't have things to get them by the hard times. in the end, i look at it, it is still just stuff. >> what were they worth? how do you quantify an olympic medal? >> that is a very difficult thing because they rarely, never, get on the market. being won by an american makes it worth more. we are in the american market, people will want an american

one. and also the atlanta is pretty neat, because it was an american game. i think it would be worth more. >> do you remember what you paid him for it? >> i gave him a loan on it and really not allowed to tell what i loaned somebody. more of that paperwork we were talking about. >> a question of he hopes to come back and -- >> he never redeemed them. he defaulted on the loan. >> he will never get them back? >> no. >> sad, isn't it? >> it's sad. >> do you ever feel sad? >> no not really. >> the lesson you handed to your son, country afford to get emotionally involved? >> one of the things is a pawn broker with a heart is usually a pawn broker out of business. >> your heart was -- >> you do have to look at it i hope it got him by the rough spot. >> a man with no morals and scruples for stuff, anything would you turn down? >> um, yeah. i mean, there's -- >> have you ever turned anything down? >> we won't take any german world war ii items. >> really? >> i won't do it. it's just the creepy factor of

it where you knee, people will come in the store and instantly offended by seeing it. and it's not really a moral thing, a money thing if someone is mad the second they see something in the store, they are not going to spend any money. >> i just -- me, i just think it's got bad mojo and things like that. >> your interest really is more to do with the fact other people might be annoyed if they see it? just be honest, not your personal morals kicking in, you have gone soft. anything else? anything you feel strongly you wouldn't want to be party to? >> anything in that area. i wouldn't taking any from saddam hussein or anything like that. some disturbed people that murderibilia. >> gas mask from world war i for a kid you passed on that one, just way too creepy to have there. >> weird sort of things that come in. what is the most expensive thing you ever bought? >> buy and sell gold a lot. one of the places you can bring your gold bars down and give you cash for it. >> people actually walk in with gold bars? >> oh, yeah, every day.

>> what is the biggest chunk of gold you've ever had to deal with? >> i can't remember what it was, i just remember we gave him 500 grand for it. >> $500,000? >> yes. >> really? >> yeah. and believe me, i was in my car selling it to the guy i sell it to immediately after. >> what is the -- if you're smart what is the markup if you move quickly on something like that? >> in our shop, it's weird. we buy something like art, going to sit -- maybe sit around for years, we are gonna pay you a lot less. if you bring us a gold coin or something like that don't mind making 1%. so -- >> on that kind of thing? >> yeah. >> that huge amount of gold. >> make 1%, i'm happy with. >> really? >> i mean, it's a lot of people i don't understand who are in business, i would never do that for 1%. 1% of 500 grand is $5,000. $5,000 is a lot better than no bucks. >> is that the attitude and strategy really? >> yeah.

>> take the cash when you can? >> yeah. you have to -- i mean, it's business. some things you're going to make a lot on, some aly. >> the worst thing for you is a fully stocked store presumably? >> a tough struggle, because you are always wanting to buy stuff, but tough sell the stuff. we try to keep it level it never works out. >> a fascinating business, it is an amazingly successful show. congratulate both of you, it is a really interesting world and i hope it continues to thrive four. thank you both very much. "pawn stars" airs on monday nights on the history channel. i will be tuning in. i have a few dodge jim. here is my blackberry, given that it has been owned by me, worth more or less than if it hadn't been owned by me? >> i think worth more. >> what kind of markup? >> um, god, it is a black berry. >> i'll give you 50 bucks for it. >> just for the record -- 220 bucks less than it costs. thanks. no wonder you are so rich. "pawn stars." we will be right back. esting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects.

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i declare every person under the sound of my voice is blessed. >> joel osteen in miami in 2010. he and his wife, victoria, speaking the language of millions of americans when it comes to matters of faith but how about politics? they are pastors of lakewood church in houston and the new book is "i declare, 31 promises to speak over your life." joining me exclusively, joel and victoria osteen. welcome back. i feel like we're old friends now. >> i know. good to see you again. >> the worse i treat you, the

more you come back for more. i like that. >> everybody thinks you're mean. i say he's the nicest guy. >> don't ruin my reputation. i know what you'll say to my first question. you'll say look, i never get involved in politics, it's your pat answer. but given the evangelical vote is so important to both barack obama and mitt romney, what do you say to your flock when they come and see you and say look, joel, i can't work out who to vote for, what do you say to them? >> well, piers, i just go back to a central theme of encouraging everybody to vote, to search their own heart, because it's interesting, good people of faith can read the scripture and interpret it differently. i have democrats and republicans in our church that love the lord, you know, that couldn't be any better people but they just, you know, different issues speak to them. >> the president, though, is a conventional christian. mitt romney is a mormon. and there are fundamental differences. the holy trinity definition in both is very, very different. the mormons believe there are the father, son and holy spirit. obviously, the christian faith

believes they're all the same thing. how do you deal with that? surely your natural leaning would be towards the guy that believes the same that you do. >> i think you're right in that instance. i think also, though, you look at the whole totality of the person and not just their faith, although their faith is important because it tells me their values and their characters, but i think as practical americans and as practical followers of christ, you look at their business experience and other areas as well. i like that saying that we're not just -- we're not electing a pastor of the nation, we're electing a leader and who can best lead. >> victoria, who do you prefer more? who is more charismatic to you? >> i think they're both amazing men. that's just going to have -- to people who are undecided, i would say to them watch the debates, learn as much as you

can, and then vote. and i would definitely say vote, because everyone needs to vote. that's what makes this country a great country. i will definitely be voting. >> are you undecided? >> am i undecided? no. >> you have decided? >> well, i'm going to really enjoy watching the debates, because i think -- >> what a couple of politicians. come on, joel. it's obvious she's a republican. what are you? >> i give you the same speech. we're trying to reach the whole group. to come on here and say we're democrat or republican, 50% of the people will say -- >> let me pin you down about leadership, because you alluded to business leadership. mitt romney clearly has a standout record of being a very successful businessman. but with that came allegations he was too ruthless, too hard, that bain capital in particular broke up companies, they tossed people on the woodpile, if you like. what do you think of his record as a businessman? are you concerned about that? >> well, you know what, i just see the ads and what i read, i think a lot of what we see on

both candidates, not just him, are tainted, are inflated. i think when i look at president obama and mitt romney, they are hard working, good people that, you know, i don't fault mitt romney for his success. >> do you think it's wrong in modern day america that someone like mitt romney, who has made hundreds of millions of dollars and probably not quite as much as you have, joel, but he's done okay for himself, that he gets lambasted for his success, for making that money, that somehow it's become a bad thing to be rich and successful in america? >> i do. i don't think we should look down on people that are successful. i don't think that's healthy. you know, i see somebody like mitt romney helping others and things so i, you know, the goal is not going to happen but it's for everybody to be successful and everybody to be blessed and healthy, not just with money but i don't think we ought to look down on somebody that's been successful. i want somebody successful running the country. president obama went to harvard and doing pretty well. you see mitt romney as well.

>> i have interviewed him a few times now. he seems a perfectly nice, kind, well-intentioned guy. i think on the principle front, a little bit flip-floppy. you're not quite sure what he really stands for. but the real problem comes with what he says when he doesn't think the cameras are on him. we saw this yesterday with this video that came out, when he was pretty harsh. 47% of americans, half the country, are victims, living off the state, not paying tax, and completely disingenuous. most of those people do pay payroll tax or they are the elderly or veterans. it was a very clumsy thing to have done. you must feel offended when you hear him say something like that, don't you? >> here i go again, but i'm for mercy, i'm for seeing the best in people. >> being merciful towards mitt romney? >> in a presidential election, every sentence is scrutinized. they were knocking president obama the other day for the "you didn't build it" or whatever it is. that's not the heart of what

they meant. you know, i probably have way too much mercy than some people but i just, i look at him and say it's admirable that they're trying to win this election and do good for our country because that's not an easy job. that's getting raked over the coals every day. >> we'll be right back. why should saturday night have all the fun? get two times the points on dining in restaurants, with chase sapphire preferred.

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heavenly father, we thank you for this time with mr. president. lord, we just ask for your peace, for this nation, for your strength, for your wisdom, for the leaders. >> joel osteen with israeli president shimon peres. certainly as i went back to london all i could see was your grinning mug everywhere with copies of your book everywhere. how many have you done? >> this is my fourth major book. >> how many tens of millions of copies have you sold? >> i don't know. i sold a lot, though. >> you're not denying tens of millions, i noticed. >> i don't know about that. >> the first sold ten million. >> it did. it did. but you know, i write the books to hopefully help people and

people get inspired behind them. there's a lot of things pushing people down so our ministry is about lifting people up, saying hey, don't get bitter, don't get discouraged, you know, stay in faith, stay positive. people are drawn to that because there is a lot of negativity. >> you do have this effect on me. every time i interview you, i go away and i feel happier. i feel better about myself although i feel deeply resentful you're selling more books than i did. what i wonder, when you do a book called "i declare" which is a smart premise, sort of a statement for every day of the month, and it's very positive driven, very get up and be glass half full, not glass half empty, but people will say it's a lot easier for you, mate, you're selling tens of millions of books, you're making hundreds of millions of dollars, you are married to this beautiful woman. life's pretty damn good for joel osteen. what about if i've lost my job, my house, my car, i can't feed my kids, as tens of millions of americans right now are going through that. what do you say about that? how do you convince them to take your lead?

>> well, i think the big part of the ministry is that you know, we faced difficulties, too, but our hearts go out to people. americans are hurting, people all over the world. the important thing is if you get up in the morning, saying life is lousy, there's nothing good in my future, i don't want to go to work, i don't feel well, you will negativity. it's hard, i'm not saying it's easy, especially when things are coming against you. you got to find something to be grateful for. >> when i saw the video there, it was pretty controversial because this is a very sensitive thing out there, isn't it, mitt romney himself got into more trouble when more of that video came out. it was basically him saying he doesn't think there can be peace and pretty well blaming the palestinians. you obviously interviewed peres. did you get flack from the palestinians? did you worry about dipping your

toe into a very hot political situation? >> you know, i didn't, because piers, the foundation of our faith is based out of israel and the scripture tells us to pray for peace in jerusalem. i went over certainly not as a political leader but as a friend to the people. we don't shun somebody, the palestinian people or anybody else, but just happened to be there holding an event there so i felt very honored to pray with him. >> we got a picture of joel on a beach which we thought we would show victoria. there we are. pretty damn impressive. is he into this p-90x thing? >> let's see. >> the paul ryan -- >> it's just all natural. >> really? >> he works out. >> i work out. >> every day? >> no, i don't work out every day. i like to work out. i grew up playing sports. i like to run, lift weights, play sports. it's natural to me. >> not bad. another reason to hate you. >> well. >> if you weren't such a nice bloke, it would be easy to hate you.

>> thank you. >> when people go to vote now in november, what is the key message? if you had barack obama and mitt romney here, you wanted them to declare things, what do you want them to declare truthfully to the electorate to make a decision about them? >> well, i don't know if i can give them advice. the book is about declaring, declare god's faithfulness in my life, declare god's wisdom in my life, declare that i have favor from god to make the right decision. >> those are great things for them to declare. >> sure. but when you see them taking out ads, for example, which are deliberately negative, often flagrantly untrue, just really unpleasant, nasty attack ads, do you think that should stop in this country? you think it's just poison? >> i would love for it to but it seems as long as i can remember, it's always happened and from what i hear, the negative seems to work. it's a shame -- >> would you like it to stop? >> i would love it to stop. i would love it to stay on a higher level. i don't know if that's practical but i think it would be great if it would.

i think things are taken out of context and you know, amplified and it's not necessarily like you said the full truth. >> it's been a pleasure to see you both again. unfortunately, i have to declare this interview over. i'm sure we will meet again very soon with the next book or whatever it may be. "31 promises to speak over your life." i will read this tonight, i know i will feel better tomorrow, so tomorrow night's interviews will be a lot happier all around than today's have been. lovely to see you. ♪ ♪ ck, and we believe you have the right to live free from the fear of identity theft. our pledge to you? as long as there are identity thieves, we'll be there. we're lifelock. and we offer the most comprehensive identity theft protection ever created. lifelock: relentlessly protecting your identity. call 1-800-lifelock or go to lifelock.com today.

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♪ ♪ my next guests are side by side in the country music charts, but when it comes to politics they couldn't be further apart. they're big and rich, close friends and polar opposites, one liberal, the other conservative. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> yes? >> where you coming from? how do you know that? >> are you or are you not? >> that's a lot to assume. >> we'll come to it in a minute. haven't started the interview yet. >> we're from the great state of

texas, a man from virginia -- >> mr. rich has done the show before. you clearly haven't. this is my gig, my stage and i will finish the introduction. >> okay. okay. finish your introduction. >> after going their separate ways for several years, they're back together, musically with a new album, "hillbilly jedi." they join me now. welcome, gentlemen. >> okay, now, whoa, whoa, whoa. where do you get off? >> let me ask you a direct question. are you or have you ever been a liberal? >> i don't know what that is. >> that may cause the confusion. >> what i know is i'm a farm boy raised in virginia to a dad who was a hard-working man and a mother who taught me music and gave me great lessons in life, and i feel like the sky's our ceiling, the ground is our floor and the world is one big happy home. we ought to just love everybody.

how about that? yeah! >> there's no room for that kind of thing in this world. >> people say that about john and i constantly and we debate about as tough as any two guys can, but we end it always with a cold beverage -- how often do you disagree with him? >> a lot. >> are you a conservative? >> yes, i'm a conservative. >> would you categorize him as more of a liberal? >> i would categorize kenny as an independent. have you voted? >> i like the word statesman. >> do you vote? >> yes. absolutely. i think everybody should vote. >> who do you vote for normally? >> i have always voted for the best person. the one that moved me, that i felt would inspire me, would inspire everything else around me. did you vote for obama?

>> i don't think that's proper for you to even ask that. >> what? >> you go back. you need to go back and go back. you can't make an index based on one thing. >> in all fairness, piers can't even vote. it's a little aggravating to you. sg >> let's see that card. >> i feel we're getting off on the wrong footing here. >> hold on. hold on. hold on. you look like you need a hug. >> piers needs a hug. >> i don't think it is proper of you to ask that. >> what? >> you need to go back and go back and go back. >> why do i feel i'm losing control of this interview? >> ladies and gentlemen, piers morgan receives a hug.

>> is it time for a commercial break? he cries out desperately. let's talk politics. ♪ >> you're on cnn, not mtv. >> i love yourself. you rock. >> you rock, too quite literally. let's talk politics. i want to talk to you about this for a moment because the interesting part of your dynamic i think is the fact that you do disagree about politics. you're not afraid to express opinions. parking who you actually vote for to one side, what are the issues you really are divided over, would you say? >> i can tell you the issues that -- we tour like crazy, 60 some odd cities this year, all over the united states, so the people that come to our shows, what's really great about making music is 20,000 people out there, it's not a political crowd. these are music lovers so you got every walk of politics out there. what we're hearing across the board is i'm going to vote for whoever i think can get my job back. just these real basic principles that people i think are firing on right now is how do i get my job back, what gets our country back on track, how do we make this a better situation.

i think to kenny's point, you got two completely different ideologies as to how to do that. everybody knows that. barack obama's got his way of doing it. romney's proposing a different way to do it. everybody's in the middle going okay, what are we going to do. i actually think people that voted for obama are really being hardcore with him about where he's coming from and people that voted for republicans in the past are going i don't know, i got to really take a look at this. to be honest with you, i'm ill, ill and wary of politics. to turn on the tv -- >> we agree. we agree. >> it just almost gives me a headache to think about turning it on. i'm just weary of it. i think americans in general are, no matter what your affiliation. honestly, i can't stand most of them regardless of the party. >> you can take subjects that you would think would start out as john and i are completely far apart, and then once we start discussing it, then you find out how much honestly we both kind of are saying the same thing.

>> who do you think would do a better job of american relations? >> if you're asking me that i think a businessman does. a businessman knows how to run a business. the question is do we need the business of the country straightened out? yeah, everybody agrees with that. the question is which guy's business model is the right business model? >> kenny? >> i think it's up to each of us americans. we're trying to put more entertainers to work. i kind of come from the theory of no one man can handle so much in their mind, that many details and be responsible for that much although that is that calling but it's up to each and every one of us. you know, john and i, you know, one of the things that's been really important to both of us is children, making sure children everywhere get something to eat, making sure

they got a little health care, st. jude, places like that make sure they get an education if we focus right there, the future becomes the better future it's supposed to be, we believe in better days, brother, we believe in better days. you got to believe in better days, man. >> a short break and come back with even better days after the break. i want to talk about guns and gun control. >> so do i. >> 'cause i reckon we disagree about that. we shall see. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back, or do you want to dive right in? with a degree in business from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to go further in your career than you ever thought possible.

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>> i get it. i get it. what is your view? >> um, well, in my home, they on our family farm, seven generations of my family's been on this -- stewarded this farm in virginia. but in my home there is a large chest in this little 1500 square foot house that has every gun in it starting from a bb gun to a pellet to a .22 short to a .22 long, to a rifle to a 410, all the way up. i want my children to grow up understanding how to handle those -- those firearms. >> why? >> because i want them to understand the safety of it. one day they might like to enjoy the outdoors, grow up to hunt, like you grew up, hunting and fishing. >> a member of your family went to virginia tech, right? >> yes.

>> where there was a notorious massacre. >> my parents actually met each other at virginia tech from an extension service meeting both their fathers are part of. my -- my father went there before he was drafted. my brother was there. >> right. >> when that happened, it broke my heart. i remember the day. >> came on my bus crying. he was crying on my bus. >> i remember -- it is not the gun that hurts. >> it's the person. >> hey, listen, could i take -- >> i hate this argument. >> these are concealed weapons right here. put them in my pocket. >> a joke. the reality is this i have a lot of debate about this on this show, my position is i don't understand why when you have, as we saw in colorado, a young deranged guy, able to get the kind of ammunition and armory that he could get, perfectly legally, without any checks picking him up and all and go

slaughter load of americans, the worst ever single gun incident in the country, nobody wants to change that. >> i don't think we can stop that. >> back in the mind. >> but john -- >> fire. >> but worse than that. in colorado, a 44% spike increase in gun sales as a result of it, because people bought in to this theory, if everyone in the movie theater been armed, one with have shot him, rather than my theory, more carnage, pull out and start shooting each other, the wild west. i respect constitution and the second amendment. i respect the right of an american to defend themselves in their own homes. i don't respect the right of americans to go into movie theaters and blow people away. >> absolutely not. who respects that? >> that's not a right to do that. that's a crime. >> don't do anything to tighten -- >> not a crime until he does it. >> i would like than to an underaged person that scores some alcohol and drink a five of vodka, gets behind the wheel and drives into a bunch of people and kills them. you going to outlaw cars?

>> 16 years old before i know my name was go get wood. hadn't been for a .22 we wouldn't have ate. >> a guy that has a 2 1/2-year-old son and an 11-month-old son and a guy who is high profile like me, a lot of people know who i am, and i have people following me down the road sometimes, putting gas in my car and shady people come up and go you know who that is, i hear them talking, i can tell if you anybody ever breached my home and came in, they -- i would be unloading on. they i would never apologize. >> shoot them dead? >> absolutely. i would unload on them out of protecting my family, protecting what's most important to me. it is my right, my duty as their daddy to protect them from evil and violence. >> how do you stop the kind of thing? >> you understand me, i will

never apologize for that for defending my family either. >> tell me keep your limey brit nose out of it. here is the problem, i love america and american people, when you have 11 to 12,000 on average murder evidence year, compared to 35 in britain from guns, i say come on, wake up, smell the coffee, do something to at least try and stop the explosion in the number of firearms. >> the total murder rate -- is the total murder rate that different? total? >> from guns. they are killing each other with knives and bats? >> well, they are not though, they are not. >> a drastic difference? what would you suggest here? >> i think that you've got to bring in new gun laws which prohibit the purchase of assault weapons, for example, the purchase of 6,000 rounds of ammunition on the internet, as that colorado assassin was able to get perfectly legally. most of the gun owners, since i have been doing this show on cnn, in america, have been perfectly legally purchased guns even though most are clearly mentally disturbed. >> yeah. >> and i say you have got to try to do something. >> i would like to dig one level deeper than what you said, i'm glad you brought it up, things

out there like that massacre in colorado, you just -- i don't care what your politics are, views are on anything you shake your head at the inhumanity of what that s and so the song that we have out called "that's why i pray" and it talks about all the things that we are talking about right now, how off the chart they are, as human beings, you can't even get your head wrapped around it, so big, all doug is pray for better days and the power of prayer is real. we believe in it. we pray. we pray for better days and hope that other people do too. that's what -- that what's this song that's out right now, why we are talking to you this song has taken off across america because of the message of it, because of exactly what you are talking about. >> your album "hillbilly jedi" i have no idea what you were on when you came up with the title. >> do you know what a hillbilly is, piers? >> i know a hilly lil bit. >> and jedi? thank you, george lucas. god bless you you piers. >> thank you, john, thank you, kenny, thanks for the hug and the kiss. "hillbilly jedi" drops on september 18th.

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when things began to change it was a social culture change.

i think will and grace probably did more to educate the american public than almost anything anybody's done so far. >> vice president joe biden on "meet the press" crediting will and grace with changing the conversation in america on being gay. since then president obama has made his approval of same-sex marriage public. what a moment that must have been. i was watching it live when they aired the interview. what an incredible affirmation of what i guess you were trying to achieve. >> i nearly fell out of bed. >> it was 2:00 in the afternoon. >> we heard the vice president talk about this at a private fund-raiser about a week earlier and thought that was the end of it and to turn on the television in the morning as we do to watch

"meet the press" and see he was still talking about it, i wouldn't believe it. >> it was an amazing moment, wasn't it? >> i wanted to hire his speech writer. it was. it was never something we set out to do to change any conversation. we just wanted people to like the show. >> what do you feel about president obama's position on this? he came out with this big statement and everybody went wow, that's incredible. he hasn't really. a lot of it was language. in the end does it come down to legislation? >> i feel totally responsible for where he's at. we made this happen. no. all i can hope for is that partners do for president obama what will and grace did. it's been amazing to hear such a high profile figure talk about a

television show. it was similar listening to dan quayle talk about murphy brown. this doesn't go on in the world. to think these comedies we're writing in the valley are getting the kind of eyeballs on them was a remarkable thing for us. >> talk matters. it does. it's more than just lip service because it's coming from the mouth of the president of the united states but ultimately, yes, legislation is what really counts. we have a writer in our room who was talking about selling his house. he's married to another man and could not get the tax break. it was a little thing but it's a thing. if there was federal legislation in place, he wouldn't be talking about that. >> if we get a republican administration with mitt romney and paul ryan they both made their position on gay rights pretty loudly clear.

they're not going to be friends of the gay community at all. quite the contrary. are you nervous? >> it scares me quite a bit. >> the good work that's been done could evaporate. >> they are in the process of trying to take away rights. that's what scares me about that ticket. they are very clear about wanting to put something into the constitution that would limit rights. that's not going to be good. i feel like when you go into that booth and you vote, you have to think about that. you have to think about your son or your doctor or your postman. are you comfortable with the idea of bringing in a group of people that want to take away their rights. i'm concerned. >> your new show, "partners".

it's been six years since will and grace was airing new shows. it's like you've never been away. you have been and you've come back. tell me about that. >> wasn'ted to do a story about our relationship. it was a gay guy and a straight guy. we've been friends since we were kids. >> like 30 years? >> more than that, actually. probably about 35 years. we're only 37. >> it's amazing. >> not even thinking of it in terms of the next step because it's not the next step. it just seemed it was an interesting dynamic and one we hasn't seen on television before. >> i think it's out there. i think it exists. nobody has written about it yet and so we live it and why not -- >> let's take a little watch of it. >> she's been really stressed out late lit because the story's in trouble and she has a lot

riding on a buyer. >> if this story isn't about you or me in the next 30 seconds i'm going to kill myself. >> she had a couple glasses of wine. >> it was four. >> it was three. >> you mean four. girlfriend likes her liquor. >> she tells me she wants to get married and wants kids. i'm not ready for that. >> it's got that kind of pacey rhythm i loved about will and grace. it's a different kind of show. given that you have led to the vice president on your last show making a comment about the effect you had on american society, is there anything about this show where you could imagine in ten years time somebody saying something similar. is there a point to it that could really resonate? >> my hope would be